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This is England...

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There was a serious incident on a train, here. The following isn't my own words but might give an insight into what is going on, and why the anti-immigration rhetoric is out of control and downright dangerous.

"When the Huntingdon train stabbings took place, the facts were not yet known. In those first hours, confusion was understandable. What followed was not. Before police had confirmed anything, social media erupted with claims of terrorism, border failure and government betrayal. Verified accounts spoke of civil war, demanded mass deportations, and even called on Donald Trump and Elon Musk to sanction the United Kingdom. The speculation spread faster than any official statement.

As the night went on, details became clearer. Two British nationals, both born in the UK, were arrested. Police said there was nothing to suggest terrorism. Ten people were taken to hospital, nine with life-threatening injuries, after an assailant began stabbing passengers on a London-bound train. Witnesses described panic and bravery as others stepped in. None of this stopped the hysteria.

Far-right accounts carried on regardless. Hashtags accusing Keir Starmer of having "blood on his hands" trended across X, reaching hundreds of thousands of users. The same networks that spread lies during the Southport riots recycled their tactics, exploiting uncertainty to stir resentment. The truth was still emerging while others were already turning it into a political campaign.

This was never about the victims or the truth. It became a way to pour fuel on the lie that Islam is a threat to Britain and that immigration is a cause of violence. Those claims spread even after police confirmed the attackers were British. People were still in hospital while agitators used their suffering to justify prejudice and call for mass deportations. The violence in Huntingdon was horrific, but the attempt to use it to divide the country was a different kind of assault, one that continues every time hatred is rewarded with attention.

I firmly believe that unfiltered social media will be the downfall of our society."

RE: This is England...

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Hmm, I've read conflicting reports. I would urge caution at this early stage. Confirmation bias is serious thing. Also, I read one man was released without charges and one man is still in custody. Very little information about that man has been released. No photos or bio or name or motive.

RE: This is England...

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Yes, exactly. Caution. Which has not been shown by various forms of media.

It's always been the case in this country that until formal charges are brought, information about perpetrators (bios, pictures) are not released.

And generally, that is still the case. There will be a report stating that an individual has been arrested, but further details aren't released until cases arrive in court.

It's usual when something like this happens these days for police to issue a statement regarding terrorism. But the clamour for further information at this stage in the proceedings regarding place of birth and origin of suspects is recent. And wrong.

It doesn't matter. It isn't relevant unless and until the police make a clear link between where a person was born and the crime they have committed.

Recently, there has been a huge amount of coverage regarding an immigrant case of sexual abuse. And rightly so, but the focus wasn't on the crime committed.

Meanwhile, a few months ago, I watched a horrific documentary. It was called, '24 hours in Police Custody' which follows the arrest and conviction process. The criminal concerned had drugged and raped a number of women in his home. It went unreported because his victims were friends who had attended parties at his home, been encouraged to drink, had passed out and had no memory of his actions.

I won't go fully into it, but there was video footage. In addition he had over 2,000 images of women taken without their knowledge by secret cameras in his house.

This happened a year or so ago. If it wasn't for this documentary, I'd not have heard of it. Where was the national press coverage? Where was the outrage? Three guesses why it wasn't there to anything like the same level.

This is, for me, the problem. The actual crime, and more importantly, the victims are being lost in a sea of obsessing over where the perpetrators have come from.

Crime happens every day, sadly, in this country. Knife crime is a big problem. But, and I do think there's a difference in this regard between here and America, much bigger coverage is given to crimes committed by those whose origins might be somewhere else, here.

Rape and paedophilia are classic examples. The vast majority of cases that occur in this country do not make national headlines. Local news, yes. But there won't be protests in the street, or a call to riot, etc. There won't be demands for names to be released, or statements as to motive.

Unless you are Prince Andrew, or look like you possibly weren't born here. And that, to me, is where we are going wrong.

You said, once, a while ago (and I thought it was a fair point) that black children are shot on a regular basis in America, but the media attention only happens when it's a mass school shooting involving white kids.

What we are seeing in the UK today is a similar thing. Crime happens. People get stabbed, raped, murdered, but increasing there is only a big furore about it if the perpetrator could have been a migrant (legal or illegal doesn't seem to matter any more).

As a result, the more nuanced issue of crime in this country, why it's rising and how we deal with it, is being swept under the rug of one all consuming 'solution' to all our problems.

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It was probably I who said that in this country, being killed by a white person makes your death worthy of media coverage. My assassination in 2016 was about as public as they come. The media will make a big deal about the shooter's manifesto, hopes and dreams, embarrassed families. How could he do such a thing!?

For a killer who isn't white, good luck finding a picture of him. He might be rewarded with his picture shown if he takes out a large enough building.

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Here, it's the dead opposite.

Police follow usual protocol, as in this case they have only released that the perpetrator is a black British male. Standard procedure.

The media, however, are baying for a birth certificate, full biography, family tree, the works, and claiming it's a cover up if they don't get it.

White guy commits a crime, same level of information given, it gets a footnote in the local rag.

It's very common, here, to not give names, etc, whilst a case is under investigation. It's not a cover-up, it's to prevent juries being compromised prior to the case, to prevent potential witnesses/informers being targeted and to protect the criminal's family, who probably don't have anything to do with it.

What happened on that train was hideous. The criminal who did this deserves everything he gets. But it serves no purpose to have media speculation about his motives based on nothing but the colour of his skin.

In this country, we arrest people because they have committed a crime. Then we set about, through interview and investigation, finding out the how's and the whys.

People who have a different birthplace or cultural heritage don't always commit crimes because of that cultural history. They do it for
money, because they are sick and twisted, because they want notoriety, just like white people do.

But at the moment, in this country, that isn't accepted by some. And that is wrong.

There's also (but that's a whole other thread) the consideration that, whilst we might look at prison demographics and consider that this equates to more people of a certain class or race committing crimes, that doesn't tell the whole story. It tells you who is convicted. Who gets caught.

Money, status and, in this country, class can all mean that you can get away with more. It doesn't necessarily mean those people don't commit crimes. Less likely to be petty theft, or for that matter, stabbing someone on a train, but just as likely to be part of a paedophile ring, involved in smuggling drugs and even more likely to have been in a position to commit serious fraud/embezzlement, etc.

And in this country, if you have enough money, status and class to bury your crimes, you are more likely to be white. Some might think that's racist to say, but it's also true. If a brown immigrant, legal or otherwise, had been publicly accused as Prince Andrew has, they'd have been in court by now. As, frankly, would any average Joe.

RE: This is England...

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Wow! If that is England, then...
THIS IS SPARTA!!!

Now, this so-called 'British' black stabber, how truly, proper 'British' is he, hmm?? He may have had the very good fortune to be simply birthed in God's-own white Britain, but does proper 'British' blood really run through his black veins?

I strongly suspect that if pathologists dissect and analyze the blood in his genes (or is it genes in his blood?), it'll quickly be proven that he's no real, proper Brit, but more likely still retains the nefariously devilish black/brown immigrant traits of his savage lineage.

When white Brits stab anyone, they always--always!--do so in a proper, civilized fashion, as all God's truly chosen people do, and not like these foreign immigrant hell-spawns--even if they were born in good ole Britain.

Round up and deport every last one of them, I say!

My sincerest condolences to the victims and loved ones of the recent Huntington train stabbings. May those in hospital recover quickly and fully.